Were NYC Subways Wuhan virus super-spreaders?

Were NYC Subways Wuhan virus super-spreaders?

Last week, I saw a thread from Buck Sexton about a study linking New York City’s Wuhan virus outbreak to duration of time spent on the NYC subways.

Well, this definitely would explain in part how New York City became the epicenter of the Wuhan virus outbreak in the US, wouldn’t it?

Three weeks ago, I did a breakdown of the hardest-hit New York Counties in which I wrote:

I’m sure there are a lot of theories as to why this is the case – population density, reliance on mass transit, frequent travel between these hot-spots, number of foreign travelers (or all of the above).

Of the nine counties I wrote about, the one with the fewest cases by population was Manhattan itself.  The counties surrounding Manhattan fared much worse.

Could duration of time riding the subways explain that? I’m thinking yes.

Yesterday, the New York Post reported that in his daily presser, Governor Cuomo explained that the Wuhan Virus can live up to seventy-two hours on bus and subway surfaces.

So if you’re riding from Manhattan to one of the outer boroughs, you’re going to increase your exposure to the virus because you’re on the trains for a longer period of time.  That’s just common sense.

The other day, it was reported that antibody testing in New York State shows that a possible 2.7 million New Yorkers could have been exposed to the virus.  Which means far more people than officially reported could’ve have gotten COVID-19 and built up an immunity to it – without ever knowing they had it.  So who the hell knows how long this bug has been here.  Something tells me it was present far earlier than the first officially reported cases would have us think.

And if that’s the case, while the MTA might be cleaning and disinfecting the trains now, there could’ve been a month or more when this virus was riding the subways and nobody knew it.

Now, I’m not saying the subways alone are the cause of New York’s catastrophic numbers. New York isn’t the only large metropolitan area with a subway system after all.  And no other city with subways has the infection rate we’re seeing in New York.

At the same time, no matter how the virus arrived in the city, it certainly seems plausible that the subways quickly became the main transmission device that spread it throughout the downstate region.

And by the time they shut things down, it was far too late to stop it.

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3 thoughts on “Were NYC Subways Wuhan virus super-spreaders?

  • April 26, 2020 at 8:20 am

    While the passengers on the subway contributed to the spread of the virus, it is the design of the subway that made the biggest impact. The NYC subway is a passive ventilated system. Air is moved in and out of the subway by the movement of the trains passing through the tunnels. The trains fit as snugly into the tunnels as is safely possible and push and pull air along with them that is let into and out of the system by way of the grates that we all see on the sidewalks above.
    A single infected passenger on a platform in one station can infect several city blocks of pedestrians above.
    There was a test done back in the late 1950’s or early 1960’s that proved the effectiveness of spreading a virus using the subway system. The government did the study in secret and was later exposed after most of NYC came down with a mild flu simultaneously.

  • April 26, 2020 at 11:29 am

    Any vehicle similar to a subway car (a bus is another example) is a test tube for germs and viruses. It is the same as being locked in a phone booth with someone sick. You know you are exposed.

    It is pure arrogance for the city and state leaders to assume that they can keep the mass transit going during a pandemic. I would guess that the revenue was more important than the spread of the virus. After all, they will beg and plead for federal money for each and every diagnosed care of covid19 and this along with the patient’s own insurance will more than offset the cost of care.

    Compare this to the cost of running the mass transit and the need for constant revenue and the reason they were kept running becomes quite obvious.

  • April 26, 2020 at 11:37 am

    The latest unproven statement (after a long series of vigorously embraced fallacies) is that testing positive for antibodies confers immunity to Covid-19. This concept has been trumpeted by many in the media without any real scientific evidence to support it. There are several studies in progress to determine if antibody positivity correlates with any degree of immunity, but no conclusions have been reached. Also, unsubstantiated claims of re-infection are also being reported from various locations. Lastly, the “antibody tests” have not reported whether they refer to IgM (immediate, short-lived antibodies) or IgG, longer term ones, more commonly associated with the ability to recognize and resist infection. At this point, we don’t know what we don’t know, and all the talking heads, including Drs. Fauci and Birx, should refrain from making statements about immunity which have not been sufficiently investigated.

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